Episode 0306: "Unwell" by Matchbox Twenty

[00:00:00] Hello and welcome to another episode of This Song Sucks. I'm Josh Kavanaugh. This is the podcast where three musical pals get together and talk about the music that we hate. As always, I'm joined by Hayden. What's in the box? Crawford. How's it going, Hayden?

[00:00:35] What is in the box? I don't know. You tell me. You're the one yelling about it. My balls. Jesus. And we're very excited to welcome back Natalie already regretting my decision to be here tomorrow. Only regretting it because it means I have to listen to this terrible song.

[00:00:53] Oh, and what terrible song are we going to talk about today?

[00:00:56] This terrible song is, you know, honestly, I think you could just stop your podcast. No more episodes need to be created because this is the worst song ever written, produced, played on the radio way too many times. It is Matchbox Twenty's Unwell.

[00:01:11] I agree about not making any more episodes but for different reasons. God damn it. Hayden and I are both excited about this because last time we had Natalie on, I was alone on an island with my hatred for Billie Eilish.

[00:01:25] And now I think the tables will be slightly turned. I mean, I feel like me and Hayden are probably more lukewarm to slightly negative whereas Natalie just absolutely hates the shit out of this. So we're super excited to have that perspective this time. Absolutely. Oh boy.

[00:01:42] Our favorite hatred pal. That's me? Damn. You did tell us both to suck a dick on the last taping. It may come up again. It's a motif. If you do it well enough. Shit. Oh man. Balls and blowjobs already right off the bat.

[00:02:07] Unfortunately, I don't have a lot of that in the background on these guys. But the story of Matchbox Twenty really starts with the story of Mr. Robert Kelly Thomas known to most folks as Rob Thomas. Rob Thomas? Rob Thomas, yes. Can we call him Rob Thomas please?

[00:02:23] No, I think I might just call him Rob the whole time. I should call him Bob Thomas. Bob Thomas. That'll differentiate me from the good Rob Thomas who's the television producer and then old Bobby Thomas. Right. Bobbert. We'll call him Bobbert. Bobbert, yes. Okay, perfect.

[00:02:41] So Bobbert was born in Landstuhl, Germany in 1972. His dad was an Army Sergeant. There's a big US Army base in Landstuhl. Sergeant Bill Thomas and his wife Mamie, he didn't stay there for long.

[00:02:52] The family moved back to the States six months after his birth and his parents were divorced by age two. So Bobbert spent most of his childhood living with his alcoholic mother. And they moved around a lot due to economic hardship. So they were poor.

[00:03:08] We shouldn't be laughing at this, but it's just the worst timing. It started like Bobbert had a pretty rough childhood. Oh, I've ruined the podcast already. I know. Okay, so eventually they settle. Hayden, you're going to be excited about this. Orlando, Florida. God damn it.

[00:03:25] When he was 11 years old. No matter what, this podcast always goes back. I've spent, so I told you before we started, I didn't read anything about Match Fight 20 or Rob Thomas is like coming up into music because I was really curious

[00:03:38] like what urban area shaped his personality based on the way he looks in videos. And of course it's Orlando. Yep. He looks like that guy and friend you had in high school who like always likes to blind just a little too much.

[00:03:52] He looked like a lot of y'all's friends in high school. Yeah. That's what I mean. Ouch. That hits a little too close. But yeah, he started out in Orlando. It gets worse where he moves to look at that in a second though. How could it get worse?

[00:04:10] Well, you see, then central Florida. Just hang on, hang on. So growing up and in this kind of unstable environment, Thomas had quite the checklist that would be typical of a, you know, Florida hooligan.

[00:04:23] So here's just like a quick bullet point based off of some of the stories I found. So he was robbing liquor stores at age 11. He claims to have lost his virginity at 14 to a quote big girl, but God bless her. Oh, nice one Rob. Yeah.

[00:04:39] He dropped out of high school at 17. Apparently the environment with his mother had just become too unstable. He spent some time in jail for stealing cars. And then also during this time, he apparently just dropped a fuck ton of acid.

[00:04:53] And the story that I found said that he got so fucked up one time that he started playing around with dry ice and he burned his hands so badly that they nearly had to amputate both of them.

[00:05:06] Almost never would have had a career of music had they not saved those precious little myths. Okay, I'm sorry, but hey, I'm just trying to imagine taking LSD in central Florida and not just like, I mean, I guess you go break into cars and put the dry ice.

[00:05:20] LSD in central Florida in 1989. It's a good year. Year of our Lord. So Thomas began writing music around age 14. I didn't find much about how he started just that he started playing in cover bands around this time and that led to him writing his own music.

[00:05:39] A quote from an article I found kind of highlights how important music was to him in his unstable life. He said, quote, and songwriting I felt special for the first time. And all I wanted to do is get out of Florida.

[00:05:53] Well, and he didn't get out of Florida initially. He went to the worst place I mentioned, which is Gainesville. That's what I said. That was my guess. Hang on. Is Gainesville worse than Orlando? Yes. Yeah, probably so. Yeah, there's probably more places to hide in Orlando.

[00:06:09] You got to go to the Tom Petty Museum or whatever. I don't have one of those two there. They should if they don't. Is that next to the Tebow Museum? It's the same building actually. Which is an abandoned Red Lobster. No, that's the Mud Crutch building.

[00:06:28] Okay, okay, okay. So he moves to Gainesville and he joins this band. And the sources on this are very conflicting. There's a lot of conflicting sources on this because I feel like they, for a band this big and for their first album being so huge,

[00:06:43] their Wikipedia articles are very short. And I think there's good reason for that. So some sources said 1990, some said 93, but he joins a band called Tabitha's Secret. Oh, God. Yeah. Oh dear. It's already pretty gross. Oh. Now most of the- Throb, my man. Uh, Throb.

[00:07:06] Hey, I'm Throb Thomas. Or Tabitha's Secret. Throbby-Bobbert. I'm done, I'm sorry. That is Tabitha's Secret. So most of the existing press like stories about Matchbox 20 interviews and stuff, very briefly mentioned this time with this band, usually simply stating like he was in this band before Matchbox 20,

[00:07:34] or that Tabitha's Secret like morphed quote unquote into Matchbox 20. Yeah. And then there's the story from the Wikipedia page for Tabitha's Secret, which I will point out is not verified with very many good citations. I'm shocked. The story there is as follows.

[00:07:51] So by 1995, the band's manager had connected Tabitha's Secret with record company representatives, including one from Atlantic Records. This guy, Matt Sirletic, who was- had already been a producer for Collective Soul. He was with Atlantic. And he approached the band with a deal of his own,

[00:08:13] basically saying he was going to set up his own production company to work with them and then get a record deal, rather than signing up directly with Atlantic. And the two guitar players in Tabitha's Secret, guys named Jay Stanley and John Goff, they did not like this.

[00:08:29] They wanted a record deal where they signed directly with a record label. But Thomas said, fuck you and agreed to the deal anyway despite their objections. Again, there's not a whole lot of good sources on this,

[00:08:40] but it seems that the record company allegedly pressured the rest of the band to drop the two guitar players, which of course they promptly did. And then Sirletic found two guys he knew from like recording studios

[00:08:54] and I think a guy from a music school to fill those two guitar spots. And there you have Matchbox 20 being born. So in 1997, this is like a six months or so after they released their first album, Goff and Stanley fought a lawsuit against Thomas and Sirletic

[00:09:12] and the two other original members of the band. The bass player and the drummer were the same. They moved with Thomas. And they alleged that Sirletic had agreed to represent the band with the contract with Atlantic and then after they said they had reservations

[00:09:27] that Thomas unilaterally fired the band's manager, canceled their tour, announced the band's breakup and claimed that the deal with Atlantic was just for him. So that lawsuit was settled out of court in 2000 and then very next year, Goff and Stanley released an album called Don't Play With Matches,

[00:09:47] which includes a bunch of Tabitha Secrets recording, including original versions of 3 AM. So 3 AM was co-written. The cash cow. Yeah, it was co-written with one of these guys. Now, the funny thing is it's Don't Play With Matches and it's not the original version of 3 AM.

[00:10:05] It's not the original version of 3 AM. But the full title has every member of the band in it. So it's like very clearly like, fuck you Rob Thomas, you were in this band. So just to give you a little taste of Tabitha Secrets, here is the original 1993...

[00:10:22] Actually, don't. 1993 version of 3 AM. And her voice is strange and she says baby Those bongos, baby. They got churchy. There's everything in that age though. It sounds like an even wider version of Rusted Root. It sounds like something Michael Scott would be listening to

[00:10:50] in the chilies in the office. Yeah. So I couldn't find anything of obviously it was all like settled out of court in the details of what happened exactly. But I mean, this guy's name is listed as a co-writer for 3 AM.

[00:11:07] So he at least made royalties off of that. Well whoever changed the arrangement of that song to the version we know deserves the money they made. Oh yeah, because I mean they move it up a half step and then he sings a higher melody.

[00:11:19] It's just that version is so like anemic. Is that? I think that song is awesome. Like listen back to them like that. Like a lot of them or whatever, but I think that's a pretty good song personally 3 AM. I'm going to say it's their only good song.

[00:11:31] Yeah, I mean I would agree. It's a good pop song. The only one worth listening to. I don't have a problem with it, but that version clearly Tabitha's secret was clearly not going very far with that version of it. No they were not.

[00:11:41] That one died in the chilies parking lot. So like all organically created bands, Matchbox 20 immediately goes into releasing one of the biggest albums of all time. Yourself or someone like you in 1996. I mean they essentially just had a few shows in 96.

[00:11:56] This came out late that year and then it was just hardcore touring and promoting this album. The album only sold 610 copies in the first week of its release. However, it would go on to be one of the best selling albums of all time.

[00:12:10] It certified 12 times platinum on October 2001. So that math works out to be about 2.4 million copies a year in a five year period to reach that. And so for some perspective, this album has outsold Nevermind by Nirvana, The Joshua Tree by U2 and Sargeant Peppers by The Beatles.

[00:12:31] And now you're just picking favors. Wow. I mean that makes sense because it was kind of a trip listening to that record again because I haven't done it probably since my adolescence. And man, it was like an injector shot to the temple of nostalgia. Oh yeah.

[00:12:50] That's also not a totally fair... Like if you pick out those three bands that you just named that this album has outsold, you're talking about other... I mean even Sargeant Peppers. Those are pretty like not all that appealing. Yeah, yeah.

[00:13:06] That's not like a totally fair comparison I don't think because you're not talking about like a widely available sound that a lot of people driving down the road listening to the radio are going to choose to listen to.

[00:13:19] No, I mean that's a very good point and it just sort of highlights that just sort of middle of the road not very exciting pop music appeals to a fuck ton of people. Yeah. So it first appeared on the Billboard 200 about nine months

[00:13:33] after its release kind of a slow start but eventually peaked at number five. And there's five singles off this record and they were released over a period of like nearly two years. The first of which was Long Day, never even heard of that didn't chart at all.

[00:13:50] And then you had Push in 3 a.m. and toward the middle and end of 97. These are two of those songs that happened in that period where you couldn't chart on the Billboard 100 unless you were officially released as a single. So they never made it onto the Hot 100.

[00:14:07] However, their like radio play rankings were number five and number three. So they were as huge hits as we remember them. Then you also had The Real World which came out in May 98 as a single and it was number 38. And then there was Back to Good.

[00:14:24] Do you all remember that one? For some reason it charted at number 24. In case you don't remember Back to Good this is it real quick. I heard the shit out of this man. I heard that guitar and it's like this is exactly what

[00:14:47] my shitty epiphone plugged into my Dan Electro Cool Cat sounded like when I was like 15 years old. So for some reason that was like the highest charting single on that record but you know probably a lot to do with the success of the rest of the singles.

[00:15:03] Push was nominated for Grammy for Best Rock Performance by Duo or Group but thankfully lost. So this is 97. Anyone want to take a guess as to what they lost to for Best Rock Performance? Eve Six. That's a good guess but they would have been the following year probably.

[00:15:20] It's one of your favorite songs. Guru Dolls, Iris. That's a little earlier but no it's One Headlight by The Wallflowers. Oh man. Yeah I would have killed her track. Definitely we need to do this song Slaps on that song for sure. That song slaps hard.

[00:15:35] So despite you know like the success of this obviously critical sort of reviews of it later on because other than the singles the album, the rest of the album is pretty terrible. Not a single catchy hook in the bunch in my opinion.

[00:15:50] Yeah it does fall off a cliff pretty hard. But I found this article from 2016 from Billboard where they ranked every at the time all 92 diamond records from best to worst and so out of 92 this album was 87. This is a quote from Oracle.

[00:16:07] Real world and back to good feel like personal statements in search of coherent theses. 3AM is strangely lacking in urgency for a song with its title and Push might be the most narratively confused song about domestic abuse ever released. I was gonna say something about that too.

[00:16:25] There was a lot of like people were very critical of those lyrics when it came out because it's kind of like you just wanted to beat up a woman. Well yeah I had like a moment where I was listening to these songs like I said earlier

[00:16:35] and I was like having a really good time by telling it three. I was like I'm not gonna be able to do this anymore. I like long day 311s. Oh god you can't get it out of your mind can you? 3AM and then Push comes on I'm like

[00:16:48] oh fuck this song is good too but then I listened to the lyrics for the first time in like a couple of decades and I was like holy fuck man until you go and like read about what he claimed is actually about. Yeah but yeesh.

[00:17:00] Not a good look though off the bat for Throb. People saying like what's up with these lyrics Rob and like oh they're not listening. It's poetry. Such a white man thing to know what you think. Yeah. You just don't understand man. You still understand me.

[00:17:14] How about you just don't write a song that's ambiguous about something like that you douche. Like. I paid off for him with this garbage song. I did. So as I said I mentioned earlier they toured for this I mean they they kept like a deaf leopard level of

[00:17:29] touring from early 7 through late 98 and Thomas would describe in interviews later that those first few years to him with the band were like a total blur. It's like if it happened in the first two years I don't remember it. You know he was like blowing through

[00:17:44] copious amounts of booze, coke and women. Really? Rob Thomas? Yeah he actually well he he is I think he has like a son from like just a random hookup from those years. Interesting. So but by 99 Thomas had sort of they kind of the band sort of cleaned

[00:18:01] themselves up and you know put some ground rules down for like drug and alcohol use but he had cleaned himself up enough to write and record the unbelievably huge hit Smooth with Carlos Santana. He wrote that song? Yeah him and one other guy wrote it.

[00:18:17] I forget the other dude's name. Ishtar producer? Another thing that's been shocking about this to me is like the fact that he is like I always thought he was just a frontman but like he has been like the like the figurehead of all of this.

[00:18:29] He is the songwriter of all of it pretty much right? Yeah they don't start getting the rest of the band doesn't start getting writing credits until like the third or fourth album. Man interesting. He wrote some songs for Santana's follow-up album to Supernatural.

[00:18:41] He also wrote some songs for Willie Nelson. I mean he's somewhat of a prolific songwriter but we'll leave the story of Smooth alone just in case we want to come back to it later in a future episode. Ah that song Slaps. Well Slaps or Sucks who knows

[00:18:55] we'll decide. So they after that huge success they record their next album Mad Season in 2000. Apparently the preparations for the album kind of led to some friction in the group as other members of the band wanted to contribute writing credits however they landed on just releasing

[00:19:12] songs written or co-written by Thomas like for whatever reason they didn't want a song on there that did not have his writing credit on it which to me just sends up alarm bells of just kind of being a douche. Also before this album's release

[00:19:26] they officially changed the name of the band so as we know them they were Matchbox the numeral 20 and they are now officially Matchbox the word 20. What a bold choice. I have a feeling that might have something to do with all the litigation surrounding them I don't know.

[00:19:43] But this album was also really big it was number three on the Billboard 200 it only went to four times platinum so. It really sucks though. It's not good. Man like it's like their entire career walks off after push everything after push like on the track listening of the

[00:20:01] first record sucks and every song on the next record sucks I couldn't find anything I liked but as we see in a lot of like sophomore albums that we've talked about before the successes of some of these singles is like better so like Bent was a number one

[00:20:15] on the Hot 100 and then the other ones came close if you're gone was number five Mad Season which is really the only one I remembered from that record was 48 and then last beautiful girl was the other single and it went number 20 on the adult contemporary

[00:20:30] not getting on any other charts in the US. What else is on the adult contemporary chart then I wish I wish we had that that'd be fun to play. That's what happens is you see the shift of them being on the popular charts to popular slash

[00:20:43] alternative and then it's just a move to adult contemporary which to me is just like a perfect description of Matchbox 20 this album though was nominated for best rock album but it lost to the Foo Fighters there is nothing left to lose so I pee yeah

[00:21:00] thank you Foo Fighters and yes RIP Taylor Hawkins as his name the drummer. Yeah man speaking of Foo Fighters I'm glad you brought them up have you heard Dave Girls metal record he put out like right right after Taylor died no he may have a band

[00:21:13] called Dream Widow that's just him doing all the instruments at this like crazy black metal band it's really awesome you should check it out everybody should. Speaking of metal records do you think Matchbox 20 would have gone metal had they changed their name to Matchbox XX Static Box X

[00:21:34] those Roman numerals be great well fortunately for you Hayden the Foo Fighters will come back again shortly here sweet so the band toured heavily again for the next two years and then they released their next album more than you think you are in 2002 this was still six

[00:21:52] pretty successful two times platinum peaking number six on the Billboard 200 it had five singles five singles yeah disease bright lights downfall all I need in today's topic unwell which unwell was the most successful from that album it hit number five on the hot 100 and then

[00:22:10] the last two downfall and all I need again were only like downfall was a number 27 on the adult contemporary and then all I need only charted in Australia for some reason did not chart on any US stuff but the Australians just couldn't get enough of Rob

[00:22:26] Thomas I guess the one trims on the Barbies with Rob yeah they can have him but this was the first album to feature songs that in which Thomas had no writing credit so he's loosening up a little bit I was going to save

[00:22:44] that I'm glad okay I'll save this for the most part but like I knew when you hear unwell it is screams brand new pop producer like strong arm and demand and the stuff mm-hmm oh yeah 100% so unwell was nominated for best pop performance by doer

[00:23:00] group losing to no doubts underneath it all thank you no doubt and then the album was also nominated for best rock album but they lost again to the Foo Fighters for their album one by one so I'm just imagining Rob Thomas just like growl

[00:23:17] well then come on Rob come on Robert you know what this is you know Dave growl so they toured again for two years and then they called a hiatus in 2004 and the next few years resulted in the release of several solo albums by members of the band including

[00:23:32] Thomas and then they lost their guitarist Adam Gaynor and I couldn't find much about why he left other than because nobody cares well so yeah he had like he like released a statement on his website that said something like that he couldn't discuss the details of why

[00:23:50] they left but I think the Matchbox 20 official release was a lot more telling it said quote the band has decided not to renew the services of Adam Gaynor yeah it feels like a very much like a we left him in a rest stop situation like like Lane

[00:24:05] Kiffin in the parking garage at USC except for it's in Gainesville still talk about an uncrucial part of Matchbox 20 the fucking guitar player I mean anybody can play in that role man well that's why they just got two guys to do it I mean they were like professional

[00:24:22] musicians sure but it's just like it doesn't fucking matter who the guitarist of Matchbox 20 is now all they need to be able to do is like help Rob arrange those songs that doesn't nothing else matters yeah yeah so they the band comes back together

[00:24:34] this time as a foursome the drummer ended up playing all the rhythm guitar parts on this next album which is not really an album it's a compilation it's called exile on mainstream oh get the fuck out which is obvious reference to the Stones exile on Main Street

[00:24:50] and that just clearly Hayden's reaction was the same I had like get the fuck out of here come on yeah shut up man yeah so what this album was a compilation that was released in two parts the first was a seven song EP

[00:25:03] one of which was a digital only of all new material and the second part included remasters of 12 of their biggest singles so it was kind of like a greatest hits album and I'm guessing that the you know the new material was light because they

[00:25:17] tried to get together with our producer friend Steve Lily White on this album busted stuff and right yeah they tried to like collaboratively write a new record and I read somewhere that they had like 12 songs and they only end up releasing seven of them because it was

[00:25:33] probably just them fighting over you know who wants to make the song sound shittier but the success of this really fell off it only went gold it did hit number three on the billboard 200 and the EP had three singles how far we've come which hit number

[00:25:49] 11 on the hot 100 I don't remember this song at all and then you have another only in Australia song for all your reasons and then these hard times which hit number seven on the adult contemporary so again just a fall into a nice comfortable position on the adult

[00:26:06] contemporary charts for matchbox 20 do you know why you don't recall hearing any of these other songs because they're all crappy probably no because they were still playing unwell on the radio Rob Thomas like goes to like the record company hey like I've got all these new songs like

[00:26:25] now we're good we're just going to keep playing also unwell for the next 10 years but are you crazy yeah come on get away good one thanks right over Josh's head so he's been the next few years working on solo albums but returned to record another dysfunctional

[00:26:44] album of collaborative song writing with matchbox 20 apparently the members of the groups were all living in different cities writing and recording music in their own respective studios well you have to Beatles guys like I don't just like I never thought that like matchbox 20 had this much like drama

[00:27:00] interpersonal drama they just don't matter enough to be able to argue each other nothing about them is interesting enough just take the paycheck and shut up all this comes up there's this ridiculous like 30 minute documentary about them making the record that on well is on

[00:27:15] and like all of these like goofy little points like they're like talking about it in their little confessional scenes it's like you know a lot of bands come in and they fine tune their songs but like we don't even live in the same city we just

[00:27:27] put it all together like these aren't new ideas guys you're not special yeah this happens to everybody yeah and at one point they're so excited because somebody's written a song and it's going to be like really cool and like it's going to hit hard but it's

[00:27:39] going to be fun it's like you know like real Dave Matthews what year is it their conception of what songs they thought were going to be the hits were just completely off every single one of their big hits from all the records like that we didn't

[00:27:54] think this was going to be the big hit I don't know if they are just playing Koi or they really are just that dumb but for this latest album they came together the members of the bands recording separately with around 60 songs of material which of course led to

[00:28:08] even more disagreements on the musical direction of the album but they eventually came together and agreed on what shitty songs to pursue and they released North in 2012 which might be as close to a completely unlistable album I've ever heard I couldn't

[00:28:25] get through it I didn't go that far yeah I was like well they've only got like four or five albums I'll just listen to everything I got like two or three four maybe four tracks into this one and just like I could

[00:28:37] did you pull a clip no it's not even worth a clip I mean it's just very clear that's very like I'm sorry lack for a better term it's very schizophrenic because you've got four people trying to like come in and put their I mean none of the ideas

[00:28:50] are good I mean I think they would have been better off just letting Rob Thomas continue to throw up Thomas all over the place yeah so like Bobbert had the right idea all along still having it through up Tom stupid I am like on my entire

[00:29:05] note page the very first my very first note is Throb Thomas I'm like oh my god just let Rob Thomas come Throb Thomas all over the place oh man so despite this album being absolute trash it is their only number one Billboard 200 album I guess like

[00:29:22] you know years of not having a full this is ten years between an album of all new material so people I guess were hyped for it and so it premiered at number one I want to ship to adult contemporaries anything to do

[00:29:35] with just Rob being nice to look at but is he I mean relatively I was there's a lot of middle age women pining over him on YouTube comment sections so I mean he's definitely a Gainesville 10 give that man a visor and it's over oh man that's a good

[00:29:54] one Josh Gainesville 10 so this album had three singles she so mean hit number 40 on the hot 100 so we get a top 40 hit but the other two are again just adult contemporary charters and the album is currently only certified gold so they go from 12 times

[00:30:12] platinum to four to two and then just two gold records sounds like the rosy the wint biscuit fall off yeah it's very it's actually very similar I mean just like I guess how we hope Florida falls off into the ocean their albums kind of do the same thing

[00:30:28] Josh you're on your fire today I'm just charged up about for op Thomas man I'm just charged up sorry thanks for thanks for saying something nice and immediately tearing me down we're doing good now that neither has been told to suck a dick yeah I

[00:30:46] know we're doing better than last time the episode is young right yeah she's just doing over there just waiting for a moment to pounce but in my region in my research into this original lawsuit I found more lawsuits and Hayden you briefly alluded to it

[00:31:01] but in 2005 Frank Taurus who is the man on the album cover for yourself and someone like you sued the band for using his image without permission Taurus claimed that the band quote knowingly intentionally and maliciously put his photograph on the cover causing him emotional distress I mean it's

[00:31:19] not a good photograph of the guy no and so for their part Rob Thomas said in a radio interview that the band like they asked the guy if they could take a photo of him but you know it's just some random they were walking around New York just

[00:31:32] taking random photos for the album cover but in the same interview he also said that when people asked in the 90s after this album came out and successful people would ask my who is this guy and like why did you take a picture of them they

[00:31:44] would create these elaborate stories just completely made up about who he was saying things like he was a homeless guy that worked in craft services for them so it's like maybe that had something to do with the emotional distress but I mean the

[00:32:00] lawsuit was in 2005 so I think maybe this guy just like oh my face is on a multi platinum album maybe I can get some money out of this and I don't know how the lawsuit ended I couldn't find but I'm imagining it was

[00:32:12] probably dismissed he's dead so who cares he did pass away yes but more interestingly here's where the story really goes on a tangent guys so in my search for details about the tab of the secret lawsuit this is really like desperate I'm like hopped

[00:32:28] up at like 1 a.m. searching Florida County court records oh my god wow we should have a whole episode on what you had what you found there you can't do it by state you have to do it by county so I'm like just going

[00:32:43] through the counties and where these they were living or what like where it may have been recorded so I found this other lawsuit and it's again it's a civil lawsuit so all like the actual records are sealed but the website has a list of filing dates

[00:32:56] and court motions for a four-year period between 98 in 2002 and this is not the tab of the secret lawsuit that I mentioned earlier because one of the specifics I could get from this was that the defendants listed where all the original members of Tabitha secret including Rob Thomas

[00:33:14] so somebody was suing not matchbox 20 but Tabitha secret was it Tabitha it had to have been Tabitha it was not Tabitha there are also forbidden records was claimed in the lawsuit which I don't I think was just a record company that the members of Tabitha secret found to

[00:33:31] release their material but the only plaintiff listed in this suit I sent a picture of you got a picture of the guy yesterday at all is a man named Ricky Lee Reynolds oh now this may just be a coincidence but the only thing I

[00:33:44] could find about a man named Ricky Lee Reynolds is a guitarist oh my god I can't imagine if you just think I'm sorry to develop this but if you just Google Richie what's his name Richie Ray Ricky Lee Reynolds Ricky Ricky Lee Reynolds in Florida together who

[00:33:59] knows what he's also known as Ricochet Reynolds the guitarist for a southern rock band named Black Oak Arkansas so to give you I listened to I listened to a lot of black Arkansas this week more than Matchbox 20 and if you just imagine a Leonard Skinnerd

[00:34:16] but even more blatantly racist perfect I listened to as much of the band's catalog as I could and it's definitely not a very thorough listening because they have a fuck ton of albums hoping I'd find like a song that was very clearly like this is 3 a.m. or

[00:34:33] something like why else would this guy sue them but alas I couldn't find anything it may have just been a coincidence like I said it may have been a different Ricky Lee Reynolds you were fired up trying to find that 3 a.m. Southern Rocks version where

[00:34:46] yes I was and so I found I found two more funny pieces of information in my search in this lawsuit and Mr. Reynolds went back to old LinkedIn our friend from the first episode this is a quote from Ricky Lee Reynolds LinkedIn page he's unfortunately has passed away

[00:35:02] but his long bio he says quote I have been friends with three governors of the state of Arkansas and have smoked down with one who became the head man in our government smoke down yeah so apparently when Bill Clinton said he was not inhaling he was not inhaling

[00:35:21] with the band black oak Arkansas you know that's not surprising I've been watching the impeachment show on uh this last week have you all seen that no I've heard it's really good though that is really good but yeah so oh Bill scary guy slick Willy

[00:35:38] so the final thing I noticed from these court proceedings was a bunch of motions filed by this lawyer named William B. Pringle the third which is a funny enough name in itself but I was like this is a funny name I'll Google search it

[00:35:52] William B. Pringle yes I'm going to wait I'm about to tell you what I found William B. Pringle the third was indicted for tax fraud in 2018 but he is most famously known for representing track suit goblin Lou Perlman in his Ponzi scheme lawsuit Lou Perlman being

[00:36:09] the guy who founded Backstreet Boys and Incink so my guess is that Matchbox 20 probably got a let's get the guy that defended Lou damn I really wish I knew what this lawsuit was about but I I spent probably twice as much time trying

[00:36:24] to find out what the fuck this was and I did researching Matchbox 20 I mean it's way more interesting than their actual career it is so anyway that's that's all I have on Matchbox 20s rise and fall as it were but Natalie also mentioned something that's in the

[00:36:40] text this week something about Matchbox 20 NFTs oh god okay let me I gotta reach over here and pull up my notes here because this is some garbage let's see okay so I was you know doing my research because I'm you know responsible obviously happy to be here

[00:36:59] like a dig at Hayden hey now I do got people resource and I get credit for it no I had to take notes so that I could make sure that me hating this song was not just me but other people turns out it's just me

[00:37:13] but that's okay so I pulled up this vice article and just read this sentence and it just says after years as a karaoke staple problem number one and with images of the songs original lyric sheets becoming an NFT this song has become more relevant and then ever in

[00:37:34] 2021 to karaoke staple as a problem and then it's a it's so I just go down apparently they have sold just pictures of the original lyric sheet of Unwell mm-hmm just like as an digital images yeah that's becoming popular for a lot

[00:37:53] of bands actually so I mean in I guess you know there being all the money went to like mental health awareness whatever go down the YouTube comment section and it's all just really sad people talking about how the song has made them

[00:38:06] feel better in 2022 to tell me about it oh my god it's rough out there it's rough out there reading comment sections about this stuff so you know that's the whole I don't know what an NFT is but they're what is it Josh

[00:38:20] retails what an NFT is a smart one whenever somebody says NFT I smile and nod like I do at most work meetings I think it stands for non fungible token fungible or transaction but what is fun did you say fun yes is that less it

[00:38:36] sounds like a packet of gummies that are like shaped like mushrooms fun jibbles fun jibbles for kids the right next to Dunkaroos in the corner store it's like a it's like a business term but essentially what my understanding of NFT is it uses like the same blockchain

[00:38:54] technology as like Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies to be a verified means of digital ownership so like you purchase an NFT of a image of the lyrics of unwell and you have this digital trail that says I own this not that they own the song or

[00:39:17] publishing rights or recording rights of the song but they own the digital rights to this image of the lyrics and it can be an image of anything that have to be an image it can there's all kinds of different things you can sell as an

[00:39:31] NFT but it's just like it's happening a lot in the art world because it's very similar to how arts valued anyway it's just a matter of taste and preference you give it the value that you say it has but like cryptocurrency

[00:39:46] and all that shit it's like a huge playground for fraud and just like really bad behavior yeah sounds like it yeah I mean it's again I think all that shit is really dumb and people are gonna lose a shit fuck ton of money off

[00:40:00] of it basically a pyramid scheme but you know a lot of money is being thrown around and Throb Thomas is you know definitely funding the rest of his life fun jibbling probably all yeah yeah fun jibble probably off of just the money he makes off of this

[00:40:16] loan or like you said maybe it go all goes to charity but there's a lot of money in this shit and it's really dumb you say you don't understand it well and I don't think it's meant to be understood it's intentional yeah like

[00:40:27] that Larry David ad in the Super Bowl did anybody see that I did I did it's basically the the the whole idea behind that is you don't understand it but you should put money in it anyway which would you guys rather have Portobello or shiitake fun jibbles

[00:40:42] if you had to get it I'm a shiitake guy personally I'm more of an Anoki guy you know I didn't give you that option Josh I like a good Portobello I think we're onto something here let me add something here just real quick

[00:40:58] oh yeah go ahead so he sells the NFT comes with a physical proof of authenticity it's framed in autographed by Throb Thomas this NFT goes up for auction on April 1st mm-hmm so I'm gonna say NFT's are scam he puts it up on

[00:41:15] April Fool's Day come on I'm on to you Throb come on how are you don't tell Adam oh my god alright let's talk about this fucking song in detail do we have to can we just skip it it's fun it's more fun to talk about all the

[00:41:35] rest of this stuff let's just talk it's ostensibly a music podcast so let's talk about some actual music then we shouldn't be talking about this song I haven't even talked about a burger yet you haven't mentioned a burger until just then so good job

[00:41:51] Natalie why don't you kick off kick us off on some specifics on what really grinds your gears about this song okay I have you know everybody who knows me knows I love listening to pop radio driving in my car give me the

[00:42:05] garbage that's on the radio and I'm please just punch driving down freakin rice valley road Tuscaloosa Alabama roll Todd oh man doesn't get much more Tuscaloosa than that in my Chrysler LaBaron got the top back just cruising and I'm listening to the radio louder than I ought to

[00:42:25] and this song comes on and this song comes on every 35 minutes and it comes on and you're like okay I don't remember what the song is I'll listen to it and then the chorus hits the song is fine the banjo banjo intro was weird the verses are fine

[00:42:43] they're just normal radio and then the chorus is so terrible it's like Rob Thomas comes into the studio I've got this great song don't have a chorus written for it yet but we'll get to it and then he remembers remember when I was 14 and I started writing songs

[00:42:59] I wrote this one that had a lot of rhymes I'll just throw that in and that's where that is my theory on Unwell that's why they didn't talk about how Unwell was made on this stupid documentary that I wasted my time

[00:43:13] watching because they don't want people to know that it's garbage and it's just thrown together nobody wants to know that 12 year old Rob Thomas wrote this song but he did don't say it Hayden don't make a 12 year old something to it yeah so

[00:43:29] you want to talk about the lyrics of this chorus then I mean I've been avoiding them all week but I'm not crazy I'm just a little Unwell I know right now you can't tell but stay awhile and maybe then you'll see a different side of me

[00:43:47] good for little baby Rob little baby Bobbert little baby Bobby can rhyme some words 35 year old Bobby should have known better it's interesting that this song gets you so back because like having I can testify of having been on road trips in the same car

[00:44:05] as Natalie she does just pretty much jam to whatever is on the radio you're having a good time listening to the pop radio it's interesting this one gets your goat so much I hate it so much and it tricks me all the time too because it comes on

[00:44:17] you're like oh yeah this is decent and then oh shit this is that song well let's not forget the second half of the chorus I'm not crazy I'm just a little impaired I know right now you don't care broke the rhyme there buddy

[00:44:31] and then he follows it up with the best trick in the old lyric book rhyming a word with the same word but soon enough you're gonna think of me and how I used to be me me that's art man here's my problem with these lyrics okay

[00:44:51] this is like kind of a theme that if you really dig into Rob Thomas' lyrics and I didn't that much and you can find this theme there is it's a lot of it's very gaslighty you know and you see it in this lyric perfectly like oh

[00:45:07] I'm a mess right now I'm getting my shit together but things will be better all you need to do is just stick around with me it has this very like I said gaslight feel of what you're experiencing is not the real

[00:45:19] thing how many Florida men can relate to that song for that reason all of them yeah me too man I'll be better next time but it's also like he's gaslighting himself yeah he's like I'm fine I don't need a doctor nobody's a doctor I don't need no therapy

[00:45:37] pills and booze I mean if you have legitimate mental health problems yes you should seek therapy and get help with that of course which is where my I not to interject immediately but that's where my main issue is the song is whatever it's like

[00:45:51] it's just kind of unoffensive to me I won't even notice it half the time but after digging into I don't quite understand where he's like the authenticity of where he's coming from these lyrics obviously little bobbert as we've talked about had some

[00:46:03] you know kind of a difficult childhood probably not that tough for someone growing from Florida honestly so like where's this song coming from like a place of like real like is he like really trying to express you know

[00:46:15] mental health awareness or is he just like writing the song because he knows how people react to it and how it will make him money is my question I don't think he knew I think it just started happening he was probably just writing lyrics about like I

[00:46:29] you know have done shitty stuff so just give me a second chance it seems like he figured out how to broaden like his whole career is like you know about how like tortured he is kind of this fight being like a polished pop thing

[00:46:41] so this is like obviously an attempt to broaden that message like you know distill it down a little bit for major pop radio so I was just curious if it was like actually coming from a place of heartache or if he's just like being a douche

[00:46:53] he's probably just being a douche isn't he I think that lyric the very first line of the chorus is I'm not crazy I'm just a little unwell I think that's what people latch onto because you know it's very easy like people with mental illness

[00:47:07] it's very easy to write them off as just they're crazy like oh they're just crazy but no it's like just like a physical disease someone needs to be treated for it and at the time it came out that was not as ubiquitous

[00:47:21] as a thought as it is now and so I think like I said people just latched onto that line because there is a truism there but then they just ignore the rest of the song everybody likes to make this song about whatever is exactly wrong with them

[00:47:35] it's kind of malleable in that way to people well and that's what makes a successful pop song a lot of times is writing something so generic that anyone can imprint their experiences on it. Thrust themselves into yeah yeah am I right?

[00:47:49] I had a friend who made the lyrics of the chorus their AOL instant messenger away message are you still friends with this person? what was their handle? I won't tell because you know you guys would know who this person is oh no come on now

[00:48:05] you gotta put them on blast on the pod she could tell us offline I want to know what their handle was if it doesn't give away the identity I don't remember what the handle was I just remember going to write them a message

[00:48:17] and getting that as the away and I was like I am never instant messaging you again you may have said this on the podcast before Hayden but Natalie do you know what Hayden's we've definitely talked about this before I was gonna bring it up anyway

[00:48:29] because this band is in on the front page of the time speaking to you today also Chili Peppers DMB I was there early enough to get Chili Peppers underscore DMB no numbers chili peppers DMB baby that's me I could probably sell them some money these days

[00:48:49] like an NFT right? did I get that right? it's like how you can sell Instagram accounts you just sell your AIM account how do debit cards work? witchcraft so I have a lot of things to say about the actual music itself here

[00:49:07] unless Natalie you want to say anything else specific no you go right ahead I've got a point with the music too I'm curious if you fall on the same line as me so I'm going to get back to the banjo you mentioned that

[00:49:19] I'll kind of save that for the end of my rant here I will say that there are a lot of positive things about this song and you know you said that the rest of the song is whatever it's just a pop song especially like recording quality wise

[00:49:31] there's that really dark piano tone and the verses that has like they roll off all the high end it has this very kind of diffuse and muffled character some people don't like that but I think Hayden would agree with me that's kind of a tone

[00:49:43] that we are both sort of drawn to yeah I like it I wish they hadn't put the delay on it you know so it just plays the one time and sustains the acoustic guitar is recorded pretty well it sounds pretty decent and it's like really the only

[00:49:59] thing in the whole track that has any rhythm behind it especially in the chorus but by the time it comes in they've got way too much going on the guitar chords the bass, the organ they're all just playing these big long sustained notes and you can barely

[00:50:13] hear the acoustic guitar it's just like off there on the right stereo channel to me it would have been better to just put that dead center and turn everything else down because that was like the best sounding part of the song the overall arrangement isn't that bad

[00:50:29] it's good dynamics and even though it's kind of over compressed even though for this time period it's a very loud song so like even the quiet parts are like all the way at the top of the meter and you know even though it's kind of a basic

[00:50:43] sort of well of chords they're drawing from they do a fairly decent job of just switching the order up and doing small variations here and there on the sections right so even though there's only there's five chords in this song most like 90% of it

[00:50:59] is just the four sets of chords there and they just sort of change how long they're held and change the order of them and you get distinct sections that way and I think it's actually a very good example of like an economy of chords

[00:51:13] in a pop song creating differences amongst the sections so that's like a fairly positive thing I'll say about it but as I kind of mentioned earlier like it's just sort of boring rhythmically it's just we're just going to play big long held chords one of them is on

[00:51:31] an offbeat you know fancy but to me that's the biggest issue with it is it's just boring because there's really nothing in there that like draws me in rhythmically at all. Yeah it definitely kind of starts this trend I don't know if it starts but takes part

[00:51:47] in the early 2000s trend where you move a little further away from just a simple one four five to rely on your chorus and they give the third chord minor the one four to the third chord minor to resolve the five which is like huge in the

[00:52:01] 2000s so it kind of speaks maybe to Natalie's suspicion like the rest of the song is constructed in a certain way and then you just inserted this 2000s pop song blueprint in the chorus part. Right. So maybe it was written separately from the rest of the

[00:52:15] song because it definitely does one thing. It's been done a million times. Yeah it's the most boring you know manila folder on a beige wall part of the song is the progression. Exactly. With a banjo. With a banjo for no fucking reason. I have a question

[00:52:31] let's talk about the banjo because the banjo has talked about quite a bit actually by a lot of people. Okay. On the internet. I hated it sounds like Nashville to me was a song recording in Nashville? No. I don't know where it was recorded.

[00:52:45] Like I would just when I hear that enter I just think about Nashville for some reason. They did all the basic tracks in New York. Woodstock. So what are people, before you go and what are people saying about the banjo on the internet? People just love the banjo

[00:52:59] all across like all the message boards and comment sections like as Natalie alluded to and we'll talk about when they go to the absolute two section like most of the commentary around match fuck 20s people just finding a way for it to

[00:53:11] like help heal their pain or something you know but the only other thing people will talk about is the band they love and the banjo is a gimmick. Have they never heard the banjo before? Anywhere else? I mean I will give them that it's a

[00:53:23] it's a unique voicing that he's doing on the banjo. It's not like a it's not uncreative. No, there's nothing wrong with the riff that the banjo is playing. My problem is that a fucking banjo is playing it. Why? Yes, very odd. Like what was

[00:53:37] the word you just knew used Natalie as a gimmick? I 100% agree. You get that little pentatonic riff and it's straight on downbeat. It's like right in your fucking face. In my opinion the only time they're like two acceptable context where you get hit in

[00:53:53] the face that hard with the banjo right off is bluegrass or bella fleck and that's like it. Yeah, I thought you were going to say also just physically getting hit in the face of the banjo. Yes. It's weird you say bella fleck. You

[00:54:07] probably cut this but I had a dream last night Josh. A sexy dream? No. Bella fleck? There's some fan fiction for you. Fly to the cosmic dipshit. Man, that's a deep cut bella fleck joke. So anyway, I now wrap this up really quickly

[00:54:29] but I had this dream last night. You and I were in New Orleans and you and I were watching a brass band but they were playing a fly to the cosmic hippo song and I got really excited and that you didn't recognize what it was and I got

[00:54:41] really excited. I like how even in your dreams you're mad at me. So, okay, I mean I say that mostly in jest about the banjo's context because in the right hands the banjo can be like a very wonderfully diverse instrument but that's not what's happening in this

[00:54:59] song. Especially when you play it with your hands like he seems to be in that song it's kind of much like more muted warm tone. Yeah, but you know this song falls pretty squarely like rock instrumentation and there's nothing about the style of this music

[00:55:13] or the song in particular that suggests that a banjo belongs here. It's a complete non sequitur and it's made worse by the fact that it's only used at the beginning and the end of the song which is to me just like a big arranging kind of dud. Don't

[00:55:29] bring something in just to have it come back at the very end. Like if you're going to put a fucking banjo in a song, put it throughout the song, you know, you have that bridge has that like over driven electric guitar doing a riff that kind

[00:55:45] of references what the banjo is playing but not really. I mean it's close. It's a you know an a pentatonic kind of deal so there's only so much you're going to do with it but to me it would have made more sense take that a pentatonic. Yeah, fuck

[00:55:59] you a pentatonic with your F-sharps you dumb bitch but it would have made more sense to me to have that same guitar play that riff at the front and end. It would have, I don't know, I think we're probably

[00:56:11] just wrong on this. We're just like thinking about it too much. Like everybody loves the banjo part we're definitely on an island on this one. People love it because it's the gimmick I mean you can do that to any song

[00:56:21] put a fucking banjo in it. But the chorus is also a gimmick. Yeah. I think the banjo is like what you said about the chorus and Adelie applies to the banjo where like they just had all this shit in they're like

[00:56:31] oh well let's just put this chorus in and they're like, you know, come up with something. I very like I see this in my head they're like working on the song and someone in the band said oh what if we put a banjo in it?

[00:56:43] Shit that's a great idea Maybe they've listened to that Arkansas band Maybe that's why they got sued Hey! Is this around the same time as the lawsuit maybe? No this is after that was dismissed and ended but there's no reason for the banjo

[00:56:59] like just if you're gonna do it I'm gonna put this song so that the song I'm stacking bills son I mean, yeah clearly I'm wrong about this because of the success of this song but like you just don't need a fucking banjo on everything I'm sorry

[00:57:15] Well this is before that trend this is before Mumford I guess but like even though I hate Mumford and Sons like that music is quote unquote banjo music in my opinion right? Yeah No one thinks Matchbox 20 and thinks banjo But also but I mean unless you are

[00:57:31] actively listening to this song do you remember that there's a banjo in it? No that's what I'm saying I forgot I completely forgot the fucking banjo until I listened to it this week and then there's the whole like here's me my entire relationship to this song

[00:57:49] is sitting in my car but this song comes on I remember every time it come on thinking why is a country song coming on and then the song would actually start and like oh yeah I hate this one and then the banjo would come at the end

[00:58:03] and be like oh sweet we're transitioning into a country song No it definitely sounds like from the beginning like this would be on like Nashville radio like pop country The song is three different songs just pieced together And none of them are good

[00:58:19] It's kind of one if there's somebody in the studio from like the Nashville world who like pushes this part maybe so maybe they heard this and thought we can capitalize on that market if we just put a fucking banjo in it those fucking rednecks are dumb as shit

[00:58:33] they'll listen to anything You know what matchbox 20 needs? More white fans More male white fans But that's pretty much all my notes on this song Hayden did you have anything else that you mentioned about it? The rest of my gripe has to do with the video

[00:58:57] The video? Oh I didn't even watch the video Oh you didn't That's unfortunate Are we ready to transition? No I will say I forgot this one thing Natalie sent us something this morning that I want to play for y'all and get her opinion on it

[00:59:13] This is used to be by Steve Aoki, Kiera and Huiz Khalifa Yeah this is better Just a little impaired I know right now you don't care but soon enough you're gonna have to look at me And how I used to be Josh I mean Natalie Natalie sent this

[00:59:45] and said look they fixed the chorus I agree Honestly I stumbled upon that song this morning and I thought it was the writing of the chorus that I hated that the lyrics were trash Turns out I just hate Rob Thomas I mean Again

[01:00:07] you're a huge pop music fan I'm not so much but I could definitely see myself pounding some white claws and dancing to this like a party boat We just saw you doing that in your room It's just in a lazy boy He's got pajamas on

[01:00:23] Just mustard stains on my sweatpants Oh man That was the last little diversion I agree that that version of that chorus and they don't cover the rest of the song it's just the chorus that they take It's miles more listenable than the Rob Thomas version

[01:00:45] Like we talk about all the time That chorus has some dynamic work in it and like the MadFox 20 chorus just a slather of mayonnaise that stays the same way the whole time Whoa whoa whoa, watch your mayonnaise talk You might have Adam Bustin

[01:00:59] This is the wrong household for mayonnaise It's Helmins mayonnaise Blue point Alright let's get into the video commentary So like we've alluded to twice already Not much to mind from here because it is just nothing I'm just a little bit of a fool using it as a diary

[01:01:17] and a support group sounding for a situation I'm not here to dunk on them as much as I wanted to But isn't that annoying that you can't really trash the song the way it deserves to be trashed because so many people are like got help from it

[01:01:35] I brought up earlier how I'm not really sure Hang on, I'm sorry It's moments like these where I'm just so glad that Natalie is a part of our lives I agree Sorry continue No, the thing is I'm having a hard time believing him

[01:01:53] and when you watch the video to me it's even worse so I would definitely recommend all the listeners watch at least like the first half of this video because while this song was obviously about an attempt at writing about some pretty serious subject matter

[01:02:07] and obviously means a lot to like lots of people he shouldn't take it very seriously in the video it's got like basically like Muppet style comedy going on half the time and it's just like really tongue in cheek while he's singing about something

[01:02:23] like he doesn't seem to be taking mental health very seriously in the video that's for sure so to me it's almost like he's mocking the people that are like taking support I know he's not actually doing that but it certainly looks that way when you watch the video

[01:02:37] and then you read all the horrible shit people were like using this song to like help cure so I don't know at the very least it seems that whatever if he says he wrote this for like mental health awareness he probably did so retroactively exactly

[01:02:53] and he should make a new video yeah it seems really goofy like I was very shocked because I expected a very like dour like serious video and it's just not not that at all I didn't watch it and just I would expect it to be

[01:03:07] like very similar to the stained wall video sitting alone in this apartment smoking cigarettes and looking at pictures being directed by Fred Durst anyway not a whole lot to mind from other than that at that point I wanted to make there's also like

[01:03:25] there's just a lot of crazy people on this on this thread man there's even this one lady who is like come to this comment thread to try to claim that Matt stole the song by photocopying her personal journal what yeah she claims that she wrote this entire song

[01:03:39] as a poem and that she had quote friends in the band who stole her journal and then photocopied her journal her poem in a journal and then used it to make this song there's like there's people crazy on this board man I

[01:03:53] deep dive her name and like any relationship to matchbox 20 I try to see if there's like any actual interaction between this person matchbox 20 there wasn't well there are a few instances of things I found were like song titles or even album titles were like lifted from somewhere else

[01:04:07] from that's about 20s history yeah like for instance the album title for yourself or someone like you was originally supposed to be like the woodshed diaries or something like that and they in fact had already like printed copies of it like several thousand copies of with that

[01:04:23] title and then they heard this woman perform a song at like a bar somewhere and she said this song is for you or someone like you and they're like oh man we love that and they like delayed released the album to make that change

[01:04:37] it's a way better name this is gonna suck trash so maybe this lady is not so crazy I mean I don't know maybe not but I she just didn't seem to have a lot of like actual details yeah no like proof like she didn't have pictures

[01:04:53] of a diary that she had like posted for as proof or something like hold up her diary in the like a newspaper with the date or whatever I definitely went looking for her on the internet see if I could find like any kind of

[01:05:05] follow up discussion about this but it just seems that she was just doing it on this comment board anyway here's a couple comments I found that were pretty funny outside of all that Jacob Calvin says am I the only one who loves the faint electric

[01:05:17] guitar in the background yes yes you are Jacob what a boring what a boring thing to fixate on I don't even I don't think I even recognize that there's electric guitar in the song to be honest with you no because it's all just mixed together in this big

[01:05:36] huge sound of here's a chord anyway moving on Ohio fan says we're already off to a rough start Ohio fan says this song makes me smile thinking about a bad breakup it's so optimistic I screwed up the relationship but this song cheers me up so much

[01:05:54] she'll remember and think of me how I used to be and smile about all the good times I gave her given your name and the fact that your profile pic is of two red bulls I sincerely doubt you gave her anything but the clap buddy

[01:06:08] this is the kind of guy these lyrics appeal to exactly his fucking his profile picture is two cans of red bull no it's just like his picture of reality is just so distorted it's like yeah my girl would dump me but I know that she just sits

[01:06:22] around and thinks about the good times right after this Calvin says I think it's maybe even response to Ohio fan says I mean this song is a panty melter for sure I know back at the point you just made what are these guys doing on here

[01:06:38] these are like classic getting like in cell vibes yeah yeah exactly I'm just a nice guy you know I don't get it I misunderstood you know I had a bad day whatever I've just done well could you imagine like

[01:06:52] being a young lady and going back to a gentleman like home or apartment and you think things are going well and you might have some physical romance happening and he puts on unwell by matchbox 20 get out now deal breaker Natalie can't breathe right now not okay Kenneth says

[01:07:18] if you're unwell get tested and stay home comedy alert got him got the zinger topical stuff there I just got a I want you to believe this is like after an hour and a half of scrolling through diary entries just to find this so

[01:07:32] we appreciate the hard work so in the last comment I want to bring up only only makes sense if you've watched the video but there is a moment in the video where Throbby Bobbert puts his face in the in the toilet water he like sticks his face

[01:07:51] in the toilet bowl water and like enters this world of like underwater matchbox 20 world and neon shark 69 says moral of the story dipping your face in the toilet causes you to hallucinate sick sick neon shark 69 could not be a more Fort Lauderdale screen name yeah

[01:08:20] that's all I got on that but what I did do to fill up a little extra time I want to play another like brief game here with you too I went and found and asked me anything with Rob Thomas on Reddit and I picked a couple of good

[01:08:32] questions and answers I didn't get time to get through all of it because I was doing it right before we logged on but the Josh this one's for you this is the question asked to Rob Thomas what is your favorite note in the musical alphabet

[01:08:46] you wanna give me any guesses on Bobbert's answer can I I'm gonna ask for a hint he names a chord okay so he actually names something that is in the musical alphabet yeah yeah it's just one of the main chords

[01:09:02] which chord do you think Rob Thomas thinks is the saddest I'll rephrase it D minor DING BING BING BING Duh his answer to the question which doesn't answer the question is D minor is the saddest of all chords alright now this is for you

[01:09:18] the question to Rob Thomas personal question Rob what would your grandmother think of your success today you have any guess of how he would respond to that based on your I mean I'll give you some background his grandmother was also a raising alcoholic shhhhhh

[01:09:36] I was gonna say my approach here was I'm pretty sure that Josh told us he had a terrible upbringing so grandma may not have lived long enough to hear any of his songs oh man that's a really good guess but the answer was

[01:09:48] she would just get drunk and ask me for money that was pretty good too she also gave him weed apparently when he was like 11 he was like I don't know what this is that explains the sublime influence on his attire alright here's the final question

[01:10:04] this is for whoever can get it first question to Rob Thomas what's the best state in the United States of America I mean he says Florida right Josh I'm gonna say Vermont his answer was drunk it's closed there's a depression I think Natalie gets that one

[01:10:22] yeah Natalie wins nice job with the D minor though well yeah I mean that's I feel like a lot of people have isn't Moonlight Sonata in D minor isn't that why it's so sad I thought I wasn't C you know what Hayden I care

[01:10:41] and so to the listeners of this podcast all three of your listeners it's in C sharp minor of course enough it's just a sad D minor it's got a really D minor vibe you guys have a real D minor vibe I won't argue that

[01:11:05] so is that it are we done talking about Robert Thomas I've got nothing else to say about this guy personally nothing to say I want to find out more about Neon Shark 69 though what if it is Rob Thomas if I were in my work computer

[01:11:21] I would just google Neon Shark 69 right now but I'm not gonna do that yeah it's definitely a bad idea on a work computer well we had a great time it was very exciting to see Natalie really unleash the hate on a Rob Thomas

[01:11:39] I mean I could keep going if you needed me to why? any closing statements from me? or about the song or about matchbox 20 in general or about how much you hate both of us well I was gonna say my closing statements is that

[01:11:53] I wish you both would suck a dick there it is perfect I can't think of a better way to end thanks Natalie and thanks Hayden we'll see everybody next time real time